Curse

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Well Iowerth while I realize that this game is about cooperative play I think they took that too far. I think the cooperative aspect should end with PvP simply because all it really does is force people to wait, sometimes for half an hour or more, just trying to put together a group and god forbid you're one of those classes that doesnt get any PvE respect, like Mesmers, because no group will pick you up. On paper it's a wonderful idea, much like Communism, but in practice it makes the game move far too slowly for people like me. I long for the days of Diablo 2 where you could form a party, if you wanted to, but it was entirely possible to solo the entire game without relying on any outside help. If they want to "reward skill instead of hours played" like they claim to then let me take my skills and go play instead of having to rely on the skills of others or of henchmen. If I wanted to have to deal with unorganized morons I'd work seven days a week. As it is I deal with that enough at my job. When I come home I want to play my game without having to rely on a bunch of intellectually challenged adventurers that may or may not be able to form some semblance of cohesion, at least long enough to make it through a mission. As it is more often than not the groups I end up with usually can't make it more than half way through before it all falls apart. The experienced players get fed up with the idiots that won't take direction and either ditch or, out of good pity I suspect, try to slog on with the dead weight in tow and despite their best efforts it always ends in disaster. The truth is true cooperative spirit in this game is rare and ANet needs to realize that. Most people join a group out of herd mentality for survival. The idea is strength in numbers, or at the very least the idea of." They can't kill me while they are killing him." This is especially true for missions that can be run through. It sucks that people don't want to play the way that the game designers envisioned the game working but at the same time they have a responsibility to their consumer base to make the games that we want to play. I know I'm not the only one that wishes for more soloable content and not having to rely on other people for support.

Saider maul · Feb 25, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

I agree. if each characters build is balanced so it needs less healing from the monks but keeps its dmg per second rate high the need for monk is minimal. plus the monk can 55 so when a tank makes 2k a monk makes 9k in same time.
Its all about the balance. dont rely on the monk to keep you alive. and be smart with agro. i play as both and die more from to much agro from a rookie tank.

Phrozenflame · Feb 25, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Yo guys, take it on a light note...I Think apart from some, most are there for the sake of it...

Its nice to see an unofficial events...just saw nothing much going on in Europe...it just shows the European Community is better ^^ :P

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Honestly I'm prone to agree. Only in America would this kind of stupid and frivolous action take place. I mean just look at our court system...if some idiot can sue because his coffee was hot,god forbid that coffee should be hot, and win then it should come as no suprise that the American players should also resort to the same stupid frivolous attention getting ploys in a fantasy game setting. Honestly I'm thinking of changing my game over to European servers even if it means starting from scratch just to get away from this nonsense.

EDIT: Oh and if you have any doubt that Americans are amongst the worst people for frivolous action then take a look at that one poor fellow, whose name escapes me, that was detained and tortured and repeatedly interrogated over the course of three months by our CIA. He is suing, not for millions of dollars, but for 5000 dollars. This guy is European and I gurantee you every American who read this is thinking." Wow he could have gotten paid for all that and never had to work again."

Capitan Del Queso · Feb 25, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Oh, well isn't this nice. Monks on strike because not enough people blow sunshine up their arses for existing whenever they sign on? Yes, there are a lot of bad non-healing people, but there are also a lot of bad monks. Monks that are just as nasty, bossy, and abusive as some non-monks. Monks that run away and let the party die and wait for a nice drop to become up for grabs before rezzing the party (or just leaving.) Monks that are BAD AT THEIR JOB and have no energy management, don't ping their energy when it's low, then assume it must be the warrior's fault when things go bad. Monks that lie about being an invincimonk because they want to let you die and go solo-farming. Monks that fail to realize that enemies will change aggro in a fight and go after people with lower armor and more death penalty, and don't try to shrug the enemies back onto a tougher character who is most likely busy fighting something because it's their job. I am by no means saying that all or most monks are like this because this is of course not true. I just want to make the point that bad people come in all flavors and classes.

I myself used to have a game-beating pve healing slave monk, and i've seen all sorts of great people and all sorts of horrible people of all classes in pugs. Being prejudiced against a class in general is ridiculous and myopic. One is better off getting in a good guild where they will have plenty of guildies willing to help you with whatever. If you really need to take pick-up members, why not have a little chat with them and ask them what skills they plan to use, instead of assuming all warriors are mending, frenzy, and heal sig using charging morons? All you need to do is communicate with the pick-up people and talk about waiting for regen when you ping low energy, and if you're in an area in which you need to be really careful and take it slow. It's so easy to assume w/mos are meding-using idiots, but there are MANY viable uses for sub monk to a war that have nothing to do with mending.

You know, monks themselves are not actually necessary if all the other classes take decent self-healing provisions and sub monk stuff as necessary, as the case may be. Even though they are incredibly stupid and inept (and devoid of anti-cond), there are always hench monks. However, the whole reason for having a healing class and fighting classes is so that people can focus on what they're best at instead of having to be constantly preoccupied with keeping themselves alive.

Yes, a lot of bad people do bad things to monks (I know, I have experienced plenty of this), but bad people playing monks have done plenty of bad things to non-monks as well. Monks striking is a horribly selfish thing to do. Find a nice guild with good, sensible people to play with, or seek out some reasonable, decent pick-up people. (YES, believe it or not, there ARE some decent, kind people out there among the jerks. I have actually had as many really great PUGs as I have had really bad PUGs)

Fortunately for me, the monks in my guild are sensible, good people that know the guild's non-monks are also sensible people that they can trust in combat, and won't take part in this strike.

koneko · Feb 25, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I caught part of what Gaile said in THK. No screenie, since I still have yet to dig out Photoshop D:

Quote:

Gaile Gray: Ok, so I was just checking on the items, and you know how it goes, right?
Gaile Gray: I mean, if there's something broken, we'll do our est to fix it.
Gaile Gray: I just heard someone say -- not a commitment but a desire -- that we'll work on the boots issue as we are able.
Gaile Gray: As for the helm, we cannot have imbalances in place indefinitely, so I would anticipate a balancing someday.

:|

Its Monktastic · Feb 25, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

btw, you dont have to start from scratch when you transfer countries. I switched my 55monk to europe for a while to get my ectos, then switched back. no restarting.

xiv · Feb 25, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

LOL i nvrhave this problem i just grab a few monks from guild so bleh who cares.

Lex Talionis · Feb 25, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

LOL ppl with monks had nothing better to do except stand around and take space? MWHAHAHAA go farm/pvp and have some fun. i was there laughing my ass off, if its still goin on well then its just sad. just remember: ITS ONLY A GAME. if ppl complain tell them to call the wahmbulance. its a free service that sends ppl to your house (dressed as EMTs) who bring boxes of tissues, cookies + juice to those of you who complain about every little thing. Followed by a hug

WAAAHAHAHAA

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Its Monktastic

btw, you dont have to start from scratch when you transfer countries. I switched my 55monk to europe for a while to get my ectos, then switched back. no restarting.

Thank god because honestly the more I play on American servers the more disgusted I get. Not only are second party item buyers becoming rampant there and unbalancing the game but the quality of players is abyssmal. I've noticed that Europe tends to keep favor more than America and I attribute this to a better overall cooperative spirit to the European community as a whole. When it comes down to America gaining favor usually it's just a few guilds responsible with Europe I see a different guild or team come up almost every time. That says something to me. I realize I might get some flak for "abandoning" the American servers but in all truth the American community abandoned players like me when they got cheap and lazy.

Sai of Winter · Feb 25, 2006, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Lol, I wish I was there to witness the insanity. Not on my Monk, but on a different character.

And Anet was involve too! xD

XvArchonvX · Feb 25, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Lazarus, I bet you never thought this would turn out as big as it did, hehe.

- Lugh Kavanagh

AeroLion · Feb 25, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I want to really thank Gaile and Izzy for even responding in game because that makes things so much more fun even if nothing substantial happens. I remember when players went on a strike on SWG and some people were sent into space just because. I'm glad that the developers also find ways to have fun and also choose to interact with their customers.

tomcruisejr · Feb 25, 2006, 02:36 AM // 02:36

they should also do it in Heroes Ascent American District 1....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

We need the big boys at MATH to take out the 8 leaders of the Monks.

MATH we need your help!!!

lol, man. :P

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Feb 25, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Both sides of this strike are taking it the wrong way.

The main reason I would see any support class go on strike is a gorss amount of uneducated people running around whining about how they died and how they let it happen.

I was seriously going to make a "back to basic's" thread, which would enclued basic's of how: a group should work, and why groups who dont even semi-self support usally fail they tend to rely on the monk class to take the slack.
but I'll wait a few day's

I'm sure all the "I can do it with henchies" use to some extent a build that helps the whole group or supports itself(AR/healing/evading ect).

but with both sides of this protest they fail to see the point...
Most are idlers, bandwagon jummpers, and trolls
I have yet to travel to europes districs and see how they work together.

Studio Ghibli · Feb 25, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

I'm sad.

I missed Gaile Gray and other Anet staff.

In any case, to explain, one has to take the monk protest with a grain of salt. As the poster above me pointed out, a good number of the people there are idlers, bandwagoners, and trolls--but this still does not discount the underlying frustration of being a monk. It's not even really an issue of respect. Monks simply want to be able to do their job without other people making that job harder for them.

When people say they want more respect on their monks, they simply want people to recognize, hey, the monk probably didn't cause your death. You or some other idiot caused your death. I don't want respect. I don't want praise. I don't want a pedestal or songs sung in my name.

I just want -you- to be more self-aware about what you're doing and how that effects the rest of the party.

That's about it.

People need to enjoy the strike. I doubt any monk there is screaming daggers. I'm worried about some of the counter-protests, though.

In the end, it's simply an awareness issue. When you're on your w/, your e/, or whatever, take into account your location, what you're doing in a fight, skills used, et cetera.

A pet peeve of mine? When I'm monking, if a caster accidentally draws aggro, I'll drop a prot spirit on them (if it's waranted) to minimize damage, or a shielding hands--something to keep them alive. What do they do?

They run, and the aggro shifts, either to me or some other squishy target.

So, what's happened at this point?

I've wasted anywhere from five to fifteen energy and quite possibly a very effective prot spell because you ran.

This isn't me complaining, though. This is an example. I make sure to tell the people in my party what's up though so, so it all works out in the end. :d

Hell, that's about it. Just learn how to manage aggro.

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

While I admire the developer's quick response and the fact that they are so hands on with the game the bottom line is they shouldn't have had to come on at all. They shouldn't have had to get involved with this stupidity. That is one thing I can say about ANet and the Guild Wars staff in particular. They have got to be one of the best with customer service and player attention in the industry. Still I would also like to point out that this situation could end up harming that great record as well. Honestly they were cool a bout it this time but if they continuely have to get online to handle BS like this then the end result is going to be a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation where they will end up having too many of these petty situations on their hands to get to the important stuff, or they will have to set up a strict prioritization routine in order to distinguish issues of merit versus this pathetic attention getting ploy. Anytime you have to institue a protocol then you automatically add to the time required to handle any given situation simply because you have to use the protocol to assess the situation which in turn takes time. I'm glad everyone was amused by this but honestly I think this whole debacle just cheapened the entire game. If this sort of crap continues I'm honestly thinking about going up to Gamestop and seeing if I can get my money back on my Factions pre order because if this sort of BS is the trend now then I can only imagine it's going to get worse when the new expansion hits.

EDIT: For the record for every person who voices an opinion like mine there are several hundred others who share that opinion but are too lazy or strapped for time to voice it. That should be taken into account. While many of you may say" Why should ANet care about one person not buying the new software? " Well because odds are it won't be just me who is fed up to the point of boycott.

Konrow · Feb 25, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

meh i think those monks should just suck it up and find good parties that do not yell at them. Also many warriors actually care about the other party members and try to aggro as well as possible. I have a warrior and a monk myself so i know both sides. The mobs sometime aggro in weird ways so don't always blame the wars, for monks don't go blaming them for everything as it does get annoying but still i'ma monk and i know many monks who don't go on strikes because thats just silly

Mellia Darkstar · Feb 25, 2006, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Let's see what happend today that didnt affect anyone else's gameplay :
Can't get in group wiht all the spamming
Monks bitching when being invited when you didnt know if he was on strike or not
Monks joining fight to rage quit
Monks joining to quit during mission
Alot of bad language, rude bahavior, screaming, yelling and agains spamming
Monks, at one point eles, asking money to join a party.

Why I don't think this strike was the best idea to get a message sent out? hmm Do i really need to explain? All this had happened today and we all know why it happened.

Johnny Paycheck · Feb 25, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

While I admire the developer's quick response and the fact that they are so hands on with the game the bottom line is they shouldn't have had to come on at all. They shouldn't have had to get involved with this stupidity.

Honestly they were cool a bout it this time but if they continuely have to get online to handle BS like this then the end result is going to be a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation where they will end up having too many of these petty situations on their hands to get to the important stuff, or they will have to set up a strict prioritization routine in order to distinguish issues of merit versus this pathetic attention getting ploy.

Anytime you have to institue a protocol then you automatically add to the time required to handle any given situation simply because you have to use the protocol to assess the situation which in turn takes time.

what on earth are you talking about? Anet had to 'handle' the situation? enacting protocol? you are just making things up. you are talking as if accounts got banned, this activity was admonished, or people were disciplined. nothing like that happened today at all...